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	<title>Comments on: Measuring the Unmeasurable</title>
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	<description>Tales from Greg and Kat, in NC and elsewhere.</description>
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		<title>By: Kelly Boyd</title>
		<link>http://gregbaker.ca/blog/2008/03/31/measuring-the-unmeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-5210</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know where I stand on this issue.

I don&#039;t ever want to say, &quot;I don&#039;t like where this is going so we shouldn&#039;t study it&quot;, but at the same time studying something and using the wrong terms of measurement just gives us false data.  And as we&#039;ve seen time and time again, data (even accurate data) can be used against (groups of) people.

So to say, &quot;well we can&#039;t really accurately measure x, but this measurement y is good enough&quot; doesn&#039;t really cut it for me.  It has the very real potential to do more harm than good.

But where does that leave us?  X still needs to be studied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know where I stand on this issue.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t ever want to say, &#8220;I don&#8217;t like where this is going so we shouldn&#8217;t study it&#8221;, but at the same time studying something and using the wrong terms of measurement just gives us false data.  And as we&#8217;ve seen time and time again, data (even accurate data) can be used against (groups of) people.</p>
<p>So to say, &#8220;well we can&#8217;t really accurately measure x, but this measurement y is good enough&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really cut it for me.  It has the very real potential to do more harm than good.</p>
<p>But where does that leave us?  X still needs to be studied.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://gregbaker.ca/blog/2008/03/31/measuring-the-unmeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-5208</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I was just thinking that there’s no way that IQ is positively correlated with life expectancy. If anything it’s probably an inverted U-shaped curve (Oli! It’s hormesis!).

Then I realized… the authors are comparing countries’ mean IQs to their mean life expectancies. Yes, I study individual variation, so I may be biased, but I’m pretty sure that doing the stats on the means doesn’t make any sense in this case. Within a country the people with high IQs could be dying early, and the people with lower IQs could be living longer. The people with mid-level IQs are probably the ones that are responsible for setting that country’s mean life expectancy.

I think the uncomfortable topics should be studied - just on the individual level - which would probably make them way more uncomfortable.

Okay, individual variation rant over now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I was just thinking that there’s no way that IQ is positively correlated with life expectancy. If anything it’s probably an inverted U-shaped curve (Oli! It’s hormesis!).</p>
<p>Then I realized… the authors are comparing countries’ mean IQs to their mean life expectancies. Yes, I study individual variation, so I may be biased, but I’m pretty sure that doing the stats on the means doesn’t make any sense in this case. Within a country the people with high IQs could be dying early, and the people with lower IQs could be living longer. The people with mid-level IQs are probably the ones that are responsible for setting that country’s mean life expectancy.</p>
<p>I think the uncomfortable topics should be studied &#8211; just on the individual level &#8211; which would probably make them way more uncomfortable.</p>
<p>Okay, individual variation rant over now.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://gregbaker.ca/blog/2008/03/31/measuring-the-unmeasurable/comment-page-1/#comment-5206</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is always interesting when people do not want to tackle things that are important but difficult to measure and politically charged. The classic &quot;I don&#039;t like where this is going, so I think you shouldn&#039;t study it&quot; mentality.

Just because the truth may be uncomfortable does not make it wrong. My two cents....

Oh, if you&#039;re looking for another example of this, check out Freakonomics and the chapter on the relationship between legal abortion and the crime rate. Boy did that one cause some outrage!

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is always interesting when people do not want to tackle things that are important but difficult to measure and politically charged. The classic &#8220;I don&#8217;t like where this is going, so I think you shouldn&#8217;t study it&#8221; mentality.</p>
<p>Just because the truth may be uncomfortable does not make it wrong. My two cents&#8230;.</p>
<p>Oh, if you&#8217;re looking for another example of this, check out Freakonomics and the chapter on the relationship between legal abortion and the crime rate. Boy did that one cause some outrage!</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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